Into the Unknown by Hai Van Le

7/19/2026

A Survival Thriller of Faith, Fear and Redemption

(Into the Unknown Trilogy Book 1)

Debut author Hai Van Le introduces us to the first book of his trilogy, “Into the Unknown”:
A man is taken hostage in the Sahara.
A woman fights to survive in a desert prison.
And time is running out—for both of them.

Mali, 2010.

When a major gold discovery near Timbuktu triggers a chain of violent events, Jake Hall—a young mining executive—is thrust into a mission that quickly spirals beyond control.

Captured by Islamist militants and dragged deep into the desert, Jake finds himself in a brutal world where survival depends not only on strength, but on resilience, trust, and the will to endure the unknown.

Elsewhere, Ayesha—held captive in a remote camp—faces her own fight for survival. Stronger than her captors realize, she must navigate fear, isolation, and the quiet battle to hold on to hope.

As their paths begin to converge, unseen forces tighten their grip across the region.
What follows is a journey through one of the harshest landscapes on earth—where every decision carries weight, and survival demands more than courage alone.

This is an interesting story. It's set in a land that is a curious mixture of ancient and modern. People, technologies and religions. I must guess that the author has spent a lot of time in that part of Africa because his descriptions are so vivid. He seems to know the people and tribes intimately. Satellite phones, AK-47s and camels are important to the story. Learning more about Islam, Eastern Mysticism and meditation deepens the colorful experience this book draws the reader into. I am picky about certain things and award 4.7 stars.

You can buy the book:
https://www.amazon.com/Into-the-Unknown
https://www.goodreads.com/-into-the-unknown
You can connect with the author:
https://www.haivanle.com/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hai-van-le
The author’s publisher:
https://sattvapublishing.com/
Tags: Terrorism, political, politics, geopolitics, action, kidnap, thriller, gold, mining, mine
Copyright © 2026 Mark L. Schultz. Except for the author’s introduction.

56 Comments

Hai Van Le link

7/20/2026 05:24:21 pm

Hi Mark,
Thank-you for your review of my book "Into the Unknown: A Survival Thriller", and for this opportunity to share more through your interview. I look forward to this week of shared discovery.

Mark

7/20/2026 06:09:08 pm

You're welcome. I enjoyed your book quite a bit.

Let's get started.

First question.

Can you please tell us more about yourself?

7/20/2026 06:31:08 pm

I was born in Vietnam. I fled the country as a refugee after South Vietnam was conquered by North Vietnam and resettled in Canada. I have a degree in political science. I work in mining investment banking. I am fortunate to have had opportunities to travel to lots of country in Latin America, including Paraguay, a hermit republic in the heart of South America. I had lived and worked in Ghana, West Africa as well for a short period of time during my university years. In my spare time, I peruse spiritual literature from diverse traditions.

7/20/2026 07:10:44 pm

That is wide-ranging experience! Ghana seems like a pretty green part of the continent. I am guessing it was fairly easy for you to research the desert life of the Sahara Desert.

New questions.

Are you a full-time or a part-time writer and still in the working world?

What kind of work do you do if you are a part-time writer? Feel free to skip that question if you would rather not answer.

Hai Van Le

7/20/2026 07:18:26 pm

I am a part-time writer. I try to get some writing done every day and more in the weekend. I am not ready to retire from my work yet. I don't know if I ever will.

What kind of work do I do if I am a part-time writer. If I understand this question correctly, the amswer is I work on helping clients make acquisitions and keeping up to the date on what's happening in the industry.

7/20/2026 08:54:39 pm

There are a lot of writers who work and write. They dream of the day when they can quit their day job and write full-time.

New question.

What are your three favorite genres to read for pleasure?

7/20/2026 09:44:33 pm

I especially enjoy reading spirituality, self-help and historical fiction.

7/21/2026 09:57:31 am

Those are good choices. I enjoy them also. Your third choice, historical fiction, is my third choice also. My top favorite genres for my reading pleasure are, in order, science fiction and fantasy. I prefer stories about time travel in sci-fi and fantasy stories with dragons.

New question.

Has writing changed the pleasure of reading for you?

7/21/2026 10:28:26 am

My writing skills have improved considerably since I started writing the geopolitical epic, but other than that, my life is still the same. I still read a lot and take some time out to read every day.

7/21/2026 12:21:26 pm

That's great that you can still enjoy reading. Many authors have told me they find themselves analyzing the books they read. Especially well-written passages. They still enjoy reading, but some of the pleasure is diminished in one way or another.

That has been my issue also. I learned to read before I entered the first grade. I have never stopped reading since. However, my brain stops me in my tracks when a misspelled word appears. I make a note and continue reading. Recently, punctuation or the lack of it causes me to stumble also. I am trying to enjoy the story; I am not looking for errors.

New questions.

Why do you write?

Do you also journal?

7/21/2026 12:32:19 pm

Just like anything else in my life, I do what I am inspired to do. Same for writing. As for journalling, I only do it occasionally.

7/21/2026 03:11:05 pm

On the write-when-inspired-to-write-daily spectrum, authors are all over the place. It proves that there are many ways to write. Some authors write in a linear fashion and others write whatever is easiest to write. Here is a copy-and-paste link about that topic, or you can hit the search box below: http://www.wordrefiner.com/guest-blogs/non-linear-writing. Rick is an author, a client and has contributed several guest blogs to my website.

I am always looking for more guest blogs about writing, the art of writing or the business side of writing.

New questions.

How has writing changed your life?

Does your work, past or present, have any influence on your writing?

7/21/2026 03:25:11 pm

Writing is joyful. In the beginning, there was nothing. But with patience and perseverance, something new comes into being. Writing is an act of creation and I enjoy watching my creation grow from nothing into something significant. Along the way, I am also developing my skills and learning lots of new things.
Of course, one can only write about what one knows and cares about. To do otherwise risks sounding inauthentic. There are lots of mining references in my geopolitical epic Into the Unknown. If I hadn't worked in the mining industry in the last 25 years, the plot and the intrigues swirling around a mining project wouldn't be authentic.

7/21/2026 05:19:19 pm

I think there will always be something new to learn as an author. Some stay in their favored genre for years, writing story after story. Some write a lengthy series; others write several sets of stories that connect in one way or another. Others work in more than one genre.

As long as there is a story within you itching for release, I am certain you will keep writing.

Weaving your knowledge of the mining industry into the story provided a wonderful mark of authenticity as you hoped.

New questions.

What did you believe about writing in the past that you now know is false?

How long did it take you to write and publish this book?

7/21/2026 06:00:01 pm

What is false? There is a preconceived notion that writers must limit or have no "tells" at all in their writing. The common advice from the pros seems to be: Show, don't tell. From reading other novels, I've seen lots of tells in their books. If I remember correctly, there's a lot of tells in Harry Potter too.

As for the length of time it took to get Into the Unkown published, it took me 12 years and eight drafts. I used the services of several editors. However, the second book in the trilogy should be out a lot faster: probably two years, now that I have had some experience.

7/21/2026 07:14:06 pm

Some dictums are hard to follow all the time and can result in awkward prose sometimes. Some years ago, Stephen King recommended eliminating adverbs from writing. That created some odd sentence construction many times.

Many authors find writing their second and third books easier than the first. The initial book is a steep learning curve for many writers.

New questions.

What inspired you to write this book?

Why did you choose this genre, or do you feel the genre chose you?

7/21/2026 07:31:00 pm

What inspired me to write Into the Unknown was a desire to help people see life and the world from a different perspective.

The book conveys three central messages. The first is that, regardless of how adverse our external circumstances may be, we can choose to remain unshaken. Consider Nelson Mandela, who endured twenty-seven years in prison without allowing his spirit to be broken. In the novel, a Tibetan-Chinese character is confined for months in a dungeon deep within the bowels of a mine. Yet he remains inwardly strong by drawing upon the powers of his mind through meditation.

The second message is that death is not the end and that our loved ones on the other side remain close by, ready to assist us if we call upon them. The third is that human beings are fallible and must continually contend with the law of unintended consequences.

I wanted to weave these ideas into a sweeping, multiyear epic involving characters from different continents—a story with the scope and drama to be adapted for the big screen.

The adventure genre came naturally to me. I knew that an insurgency was taking place in that part of the world, and I was also familiar with the global reach of Canadian mineral exploration companies. The people behind these companies are intrepid: they venture into remote corners of the world in search of opportunity, and sometimes they find themselves in trouble.

7/22/2026 10:04:05 am

Those messages came through clearly.

I am looking forward to the next book.

The desert is the major character in your book.

New questions.

While you were in Ghana, did you spend much time in the desert? How did you learn about it so well?

7/22/2026 11:42:35 am

Ghana has no desert. While there I had the opportunity to travel all over the country and got to see the different landscapes that are unique to each region. The northern part is dry, arid and mostly Muslim. The main thing I learned while in Ghana was that just like all other sub-Saharan countries, Ghana is a country of many diverse ethnic groups with their own religions and customs.
Into the Unknown is also about the brewing insurgency by the Tuareg, a major ethnic group traditionally inhabiting the vast northern part of Mali, against the central government in the south run by the Bambara. (Note that Ben Kramer, one of the main characters, is married to the daughter of a Tuareg chief.) Before hastily withdrawing from the region, France, the colonial power, drew Mali’s borders in a way that joined the traditional Tuareg homeland in the north with the Bambara-dominated south.
They did all this without consulting the affected peoples, namely the nomadic Tuareg and Arab tribes in the north. The consequences reverberate to this day. Given the ongoing war by the Islamists against the central government, it’s quite possible that within a few years, the country will break up into two different countries the way Sudan did a few years ago.
To portray Tuareg culture and the desert environment authentically, I undertook extensive research. Among the books in my library are Jeremy Keenan’s The Tuareg: People of Ahaggar and The Dark Sahara, Nicholas Jubber’s The Timbuktu School for Nomads, and Michael Benanav’s Men of Salt. Together with several National Geographic articles on the Tuareg, these works gave me valuable insight into desert life, Tuareg customs, and the people’s values and outlook on the world.

7/22/2026 12:34:56 pm

I think you are right. Political borders are going to be redrawn for years, decades, maybe generations. Because tribal loyalties were ignored. On the other hand, English or French are the official languages of many African countries, and that has provided a linguistic bridge allowing many people of different tribes to communicate more easily. Who knows the end story?

New question.

You planned for a trilogy, this being the first volume. Will you keep writing in the genre or will you branch out?

7/22/2026 12:45:02 pm

I believe I will continue writing in the same genre. Generally speaking, I enjoy weaving elements of intrigue and geopolitical conflict into my stories, with a dash of spirituality here and there.

7/22/2026 03:07:49 pm

That makes sense to me. That's a nice way to describe it.

New questions.

Does everyone in your family enjoy reading your writing?

Have you ever seen a UFO or UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena?

7/22/2026 04:37:22 pm

Does everyone in my family enjoy my writing? My wife yes. Very much so. I can’t say about the rest of my other family that includes my brother, sister and my mother. I can’t say they are able to read my book yet because their English is limited, but I am sure they are proud of me.
No, I have never seen a UFO in my life.

7/22/2026 09:34:55 pm

Many authors get support from their spouse. Some get support from most or all of their family. A few get little to no support. You are one of the lucky ones.

My sisters tell me we saw a UFO when we were children. I have no memory of that event.

New question.

Have you ever seen a cryptid, an animal unknown to modern zoologists, or found evidence of one?

7/23/2026 11:24:21 am

No, I can’t say that I have. Although I find stories of cryptids and unknown animals fascinating, I have never personally encountered one or come across any evidence that I believed pointed to the existence of one. Nevertheless, given how much of the natural world remains unexplored, I would not dismiss the possibility that some creatures known only through folklore may have a basis in reality.

7/23/2026 12:07:23 pm

I have not seen one either. I grew up in a small town in SW Washington. Several of my friends claimed that an uncle or a friend had seen a Bigfoot. But never a firsthand report. I am still skeptical but am not discounting the possibility.

New question.

How many drafts did your book go through before publishing?

7/23/2026 12:59:15 pm

After seven drafts, Into the Unknown was published. This original book has the cover page of a bewildered young man looking at Tuareg fighters on camels. It’s an excellent illustration. You may still see this original cover page on Amazon.
However, after the book was published, I felt it could still be improved and so I spent another year revising it. The latest edition is distinguished by a new cover page with a woman on camel and a man looking forlorn in a cave.
So altogether, it took a total of eight drafts before Into the Unknown: A Survival Thriller was published.

7/23/2026 03:37:22 pm

Eight is a good number. Some authors write more and some write less. Part of it is the book's length and complexity. Multiple plot lines and concurrent or consecutive timelines are common.

There are a few writers who are secretly afraid to publish and they use the excuse of one more editing pass.

New questions.

Is there anything unconventional about your writing technique?

If so, how does your writing technique differ from other authors?

7/23/2026 04:07:25 pm

Regarding my writing technique, there is nothing unconventional about it. I was careful to avoid too much “telling” – perhaps way more than I should as now realize that many bestselling authors also rely on telling when it serves the story.
Where my book may differ from others in the adventure genre is in its occasional incorporation of spiritual ideas into the dialogue and plot. These are not mainstream religious thoughts and may not appeal to readers who expect the book to remain entirely within the conventions of a traditional adventure novel.

7/23/2026 06:17:52 pm

The parts about meditation did catch me by surprise. I also enjoyed learning about different aspects of Islam. Your book is a bit of a mashup, and I enjoyed the extra color it provided.

New questions.

Who designed the cover of your book? Feel free to drop a copy-and-paste link if appropriate.

How many drafts did the cover go through?

7/23/2026 06:44:03 pm

The first book cover was designed by a well-known cover design company called Damonza. For the revised edition of Into the Unknown, it was designed by a very talented illustrator named Piere D'Arterie. It was part of a package of illustrations which includes five other illustrations depicting certain scenes in the novel.

7/23/2026 08:27:55 pm

I like the contrast of the two halves of the cover. It attracts the eye. The title font is easy to read. The reader doesn't have to work to understand the title.

New questions.

Was it hard to come up with the title?

What was the process?

7/24/2026 10:33:54 am

Years and years ago when I first started on the geopolitical epic, I had a name: The Pit. It is short for open pit —a mining term, where excavations are made on the surface of the Earth to extract minerals either by machines or by people. This work of fiction is heavily inspired by a real-life event: Serra Pelada, Brazil’s biggest gold rush. If you google Serra Pelada, you’ll see striking images of tens of thousands of artisanal miners toiling at the bottom of a gigantic pit.
My wife cautioned me that the term is not so descriptive and readers may not relate to it. It’s true. There’s no pit anywhere in the first book. There is a scene like that in Gold Rush, the 2nd installment in the trilogy, but it’s still some time before it’s ready for release.
More years went by and one day the title Into the Unknown popped into my mind. It’s a catchy name and I was intrigued. Of course, by then, I was still years away from getting the first book published, but that new title makes a lot of sense. The first book of the trilogy introduces the two key characters: Jake Hall and Ayesha, whose backgrounds are as different as the sun and the moon. Through no fault of their own, they find their lives upended and are literally thrust by circumstances into the unknown. Their will to survive and resilience are stretched to the limits.
One thing that is clear to me now is that there are lots and lots of books by that name. Nonetheless, in the final analysis, the title is quite fitting.

7/24/2026 11:40:39 am

Your title is very appropriate and used for many books. I like it. Thanks for sharing the title history.

Some authors start writing a book based on the inspiration of a title. Other authors find the title after starting the book. Sometimes the title goes through several changes.

New questions.

Were the character names difficult to develop?

How did you choose them?

7/24/2026 12:00:05 pm

All the character names in my book were fairly easy to come up with. Ben Kramer, of Jewish background, got his name because he was going to have a confrontation with Islamist extremists in the third book. Ayesha is an appropriate name for someone from a Muslim culture. For Jake Hall, the other main character, how it came about is divinely inspired, if I can use that expression. Originally, his name was Sam Altman. One morning during my meditation, there was a still voice in my mind that came through very clearly: Jake Hall. And from thereon, the young geologist with a promising career ahead of him became Jake Hall.

7/24/2026 02:35:57 pm

Inspiration comes in many different ways to authors.

I recall one author who told me that her muse spoke to her almost every night around 2:30 in the morning. She kept a pad and pencil on her nightstand to record what she was hearing. Some mornings she could read her notes and sometimes she couldn't.

Another author shared that her muse visited her most often when she was in the shower. Despite trying as hard as she could, most of the time she couldn't get out of the shower fast enough to record the thoughts. I suggested she get a Space Pen and an outdoor notepad with waterproof paper. She thanked me.

New questions.

Do you sing or play a musical instrument?

Any musical family members?

7/24/2026 05:14:17 pm

I wish I had an opportunity to learn to play a musical instrument when I was young. Alas, that was not the case. My early years were spent in a war-torn environment. After the war was over, my mother struggled to raise me and my siblings. That was my youth.
Looking forward, I intend to take piano lessons in a year or sooner. It’s never too late to learn a musical instrument.
As for singing, I take time out from time to time to sing along to the music to raise my mood and vibration.
None of my siblings plays any instrument.

7/24/2026 06:45:07 pm

There certainly isn't time for lessons of any kind when survival is in question for years.

I already play the stereo, and quite well, I will say. ;-) I think that will have to do for now.

My mother was musically talented, but that gene seemed to skip me. I struggle with matching tones when singing and keeping a clapping beat in a group requires concentration.

New question.

Which famous person’s death shocked you the most?

7/24/2026 06:54:31 pm

I can't think of the last time I was shocked by the news of the passing of a famous person. Generally speaking, most famous people live to a ripe old age and then they pass away quietly. Then we hear about that through the media and learn a bit more about them from some other people.

7/24/2026 08:23:59 pm

What shocks me the most is when someone under 40 dies without a vehicle or violence of some nature, especially if they were a professional athlete. Someone involved in sports professionally is supposed to be in pretty good shape.

New question.

Have you or your publisher done any marketing for your book before deciding to work with me?

7/24/2026 11:25:14 pm

The marketing work I do as an author is primarily in the form of alerting the contacts in my LinkedIn network. As a result of that, I got a few sales and at least one written review. The work that my publisher does is more extensive – regular postings on Instagram, Facebook, and tweaking Amazon Kindle algorithm, which is a mystery to me. We are always learning and exploring new avenues and new ideas all the time.

7/25/2026 09:47:46 am

The algorithm is a mystery to everyone. It is changed often. Dave Chesson of kindlepreneur.com has been tracking it for years. He seems to have good advice. Take a look and let Jane know if he sounds worthwhile to you.

One of my favorite blogs is about pursuing the local author angle. How to be a marketing star right where you live. A copy-and-paste link or search the title in the search box below: https://annerallen.com/2019/08/hometown-book-marketing/

I would add a few tips: seek out literature teachers at the high school and college level to share in their class and there might be a club in the school. Local newspapers are a good resource for an interview as well as local cable access. There might also be a broadcast arts curriculum and/or a club at the high school and college level. Have some questions ready to hand the interviewer if they seem uncertain.

Senior centers are another good possibility and they usually welcome any sort of activity like that. Contact the events director.

If there are tourist destinations try to place your books with the local author angle. Museums, gift stores, motels, hotels, tourist attractions are all possibilities. Keep a box of books in your trunk. Get a counter-top holder for a few books, paste a picture of the cover on the holder behind the books and put re-ordering information on the back of the holder.

Some restaurants or bars have an open mic time.

Consider renting a table at a comic convention, county fair, farmer's market or a flea market. Have free swag to hand out such as a bookmark and sell mugs or posters. There are so many ways to be the 'local author' I doubt I have exhausted the list of possibilities. Always have copies of your books in your trunk or car boot.

New question.

What do you think of the current controversy regarding AI, Artificial Intelligence and books?

7/25/2026 12:32:42 pm

AI is essentially a neutral tool, and its value depends largely on how it is used. In the hands of thoughtful and conscientious people, it can assist writers and enrich the creative process. In the hands of less responsible—or less conscious—people, it can be used to imitate, plagiarize, or mass-produce inferior books. Such misuse has understandably given AI a bad reputation, but the real issue lies not with the technology itself, but with the intentions and judgment of those using it.

Similarly, although the web is rife with disinformation, outright lies, and pornography, it remains an invaluable tool for sharing information. I cannot imagine modern life without it. AI, too, will soon become—if it has not already—an integral part of our lives.

7/25/2026 02:06:25 pm

I agree with you. AI can be useful, but it certainly has limits. A lot of people think it is limitless. I use it occasionally to solve specific problems. The last one was a car problem. A fuel tank vapor valve wouldn't close when fueling the car; the engine flooded and barely ran for about 30 seconds. I bought the part and replaced it. The car runs better and mileage has increased.

New question.

Did you use AI in any of your planning, writing or editing for your books? I am not including research in this question because most of the major search engines have embedded AI in the browser.

7/25/2026 03:32:53 pm

For Into the Unknown, I didn’t use AI for planning or writing. I never believe in using AI for plot development. This is something that should be original — a creative endeavor from the author.
For editing, yes. From time to time, I’d ask it to review an awkward sentence or paragraph. I also used it to generate options for a certain phrase. Depending on what came up, I might mix and match, choose one, or stick to my original phrase. AI is also an excellent substitute for an online dictionary and I use it to define words or expressions for me.

7/25/2026 04:53:21 pm

AI was useful for you and you didn't let it take over your story.

New questions.

What was the first paying job you worked as a kid?

How old were you?

7/25/2026 05:40:39 pm

My first paid job was as an “associate” at a summer camp serving underprivileged kids. I was 17 then. The work involved setting the tables, clearing away the dishes, learning camping skills and helping camp counsellors supervise the kids.

7/25/2026 07:59:01 pm

Sounds like a pretty decent job.

I was babysitting for a neighbor down the gravel road. After that, I picked strawberries and beans during the summer school break.

New questions.

Have you done any public speaking?

If so, will you be doing more in the future?

7/25/2026 09:58:48 pm

No, I have not done any public speaking yet.

7/26/2026 10:36:38 am

Many authors are petrified when thinking about public speaking. I was too until I learned a simple secret about public speaking. Only speak in public about something you are an expert in. Who knows more about a book than the author? No one.

You will be nervous; that means you are normal. You can use that nervous energy to speak passionately about your book. The audience will hang on every word. Speak slowly, pause as often as you need to.

New questions.

Have you entered any writing contests?

Have you won awards of any kind for your writing?

7/26/2026 05:24:20 pm

After the 1st edition of Into the Unknown came out, I entered into a number of contests. I didn’t win any award. In hindsight, it wasn’t the most savvy thing to do. It was only the first of three books. It’s like assessing someone’s legacy when that person is only 27 years old. However, something good came out of it. I got feedback and Writer’s Digest, in particular, gave me a good review, which I was able to use in the book’s promotion. That one reads:
“This book has an excellent premise and wonderful descriptions and knowledge of its varying settings. The extent of geographical knowledge here scratches a specific itch in my and many other geography/history buffs’ brains, incorporating action in these places that not only feel accurate to what they are and have been but also bring them to life in very unique ways. Well done there! I never felt lost while reading this book, which demonstrates a mastery of ensuring the reader is along for each part of the ride. This was aided by the varying perspectives, especially Ayesha’s, who, in my reading, was the star of the show.”

7/26/2026 08:08:31 pm

That is a nice review.

Short story contests can be very beneficial for a new writer. I have recommended to writers that short-story writing contests, especially those that provide feedback from the judges, can help a writer improve their writing skills. I do have a warning: there are a lot of shady contests out there. Some want to extract as much as they can from your wallet; others want to steal your intellectual property. Here is a copy-and-paste link about those things: Beware Bogus Writing Contests! Look for These 8 Red Flags. https://annerallen.com/2019/05/beware-bogus-writing-contests. You can also use the search box below to find the link. There are other blogs I have links to on my Highly Regarded Blogs page.

New question.

Among present or past family members and friends, how many are or have been writers or authors?

7/27/2026 11:11:24 am

Among my extended family, a cousin of mine self-published his own memoir and gave all family members a copy. Besides him, I am the first author in the family.

7/27/2026 11:21:24 am

That's nice. A lot of people do something like that just for family. It's a wonderful way to remember part of the family.

Last question.

Is there anyone you know who might claim you as their inspiration for writing?

7/27/2026 11:33:12 am

It is possible that having a published novel could inspire someone in my extended family or wider circle to start writing. After all, I have often heard people say, “I’ve been meaning to write a book for some time.” It is still too early to tell, though, since the official edition of Into the Unknown was released only last October.

7/27/2026 12:27:05 pm

I have said that in the past. I have met many who repeated that phrase in one form or another. Many have tried to write a book and lose interest after a few pages or chapters. Writing a good book that is easy to read is a lot of hard work. It takes much time and the writer must say no to many activities.

Thank you, Jane Tennant of Sattva Publishing, for hiring me to promote "Into the Unknown" I loved the story and the writing.
Thank you, Hai, for patiently answering my questions. You have been a wonderful guest.

Until next time, keep on writing.